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Мне наоборот маршрут через Симикот больше нравится. Не могу найти единомышленников.... Но он по идее выходит дороже из-за перелетов? И там треки интересные через монастыри, если я не ошибаюсь..?

Каков бюджет?!

Точно скажу не ранее конца апреля.

Непальские конторы просят примерно одинаковые деньги за Джиповый тур из КТМ и аэропеший через Симикот. Но последний не требует согласований с тибетской стороной, поэтому его можно сделать в обход конторы и дешевле на несколько сотен.

Для этого нужно сепаратно договориться с опытным сирдаром (бригадиром группы обеспечения). Именно он найдет гида, который оформит документы (а не наоборот) и заранее подберет группу носильщиков. Местных, из Симикота.

Держите, пожалуйста, в курсе!!! Мне очень интересен этот вариант!

Я узнавал пару месяцев назад про этот маршрут. Там групповая виза нужна:

Вопрос:

By the way, how about Chinese visa for this tour? Do I have to obtain Group Visa (as I know, it costs 114$ and issued in Kathmandu only) or I can get private visa in Chinese Embassy in Russia?

Ответ:

Please do not obtain visa in your home country, You can only make Chinese single entry visa in your home country. But you need Tibet group visa for Tibet portion if you are going to enter Tibet from Nepal side.


Круговой перелет Катманду - Непалканж - Симикот в копеечку встанет. Я интересовался заездом через Симикот - он сильно дороже классического маршрута стоит - можно сравнить цены у любой туристической фирмы.


Вообще не понял, что ты хотел сказать: ведь ты писал, что пермит нужен, и он будет получен. Как ты хочешь его получить без согласования?

Вот что нам предложили в одном непали агентстве:

Day 01: Drive to Kathmandu-Zhangmu (153 km / 07 hrs,3800m) o/n in guesthouse

Drive from Kathmandu to Kodari (Nepal-Tibet border) where we meet the Tibetan guide with transport. Drive further 8 km uphill to Zhangmu (2220m) where we will have to complete the Chinese immigration and custom formalities. Drive further to Nyalam for overnight stay

Day 02: Rest at Nyalam for acclimatization. Nyalam is a small Tibetan town. It is the county seat of Nyalam County in Xigaze Prefecture (part of the historical Tsang Province of the old Tibet a town of stone buildings and tin roofs.

Day 03: Drive to Saga (232km,4600,7hrs) o/n in camp

in route stops for a while to see the breathtaking views Of Mountain range then drive further to Saga via Paiku-Tso.

Day 04: Drive to Paryang (252km, 4700m, 8hrs) o/n in camp

visit Dzongba, stop for lunch and continue drive to Paryang

Day 05: Drive to Manosarovr Lake or Chiue Gompa,7hrs) o/n in camp

Drive towards Mayum-La (5010m) and continue the drive to Chiu Gompa, on the west bank of Lake Mansarovar where you can have a shower at the hot spring. Lake Manasarovar lies at 4,556 m (14947.5 ft) above mean sea level, making it the highest fresh-water lake in the world. It is relatively round in shape with a circumference of 88 kilometres (55 mi). Its depth is 90 m (300 ft) and its surface area is 320 square kilometres (120 sq mi). The lake freezes in winter and melts only in the spring. Like Mount Kailash, Lake Manasa Sarovar is a place of pilgrimage, attracting religious people from India, Nepal, Tibet and the neighboring countries. Bathing in the Manasa Sarovar and drinking its water is believed to cleanse all sins.

Day 06: Drive to Darchen (4700m). Here circuit around Mount Kailash typically begins and ends in Darchen, where foreigners must register and pay an admission fee to the Kailash area, o/n in guesthouse/camp

Day 07: Rest at Darchen for acclimatization, o/n in camp or guesthouse

Day 08: Trek to Dera puk(14kms, 7/8hrs, 4800m) o/n in camp

Drive to trek-starting point then start the trek around Mt. Kailash (6656 m). It is said that one trip around the sacred mountain will wipe away all the sins (bad karma) of one's current lifetime. The rugged path around Mount Kailash is 32 miles (52 km) long, following a blue mountain stream much of the way.

Day 09: Trek to Zhutul Puk (24km, 4680m, 9 hrs) o/n in camp

Trek over the Dolma-La (5600m) then descends for a while and continue to Zhutul Puk. The walk which is a steep climb to Dolma La Pass is 6 km. Dolma La is thehighest point at 5550 meters (18.600 ft) we touch during our entire journey. It is most difficult phase of the parikrama.

Day 10: Finish the trek and drive to Hora. Camp on the bank of Lake Mansarovar

Day 11: Drive to Parayang via Mayum-La, o/n in camp

Day 12: Drive back to Saga via Dzongba o/n in camp

Day 13: Drive to Nyalam via Paiku-Tso o/n in camp or guesthouse

Day 14: Drive to Zhangmu, after finishing immigration formalities, drive back to Kathmandu, o/n in a hotel

Price

USD 1650 per person based on 02 pax

Included

All permits and entrance fees in Tibet

Tibet Visa

English speaking Tibetan guide

one porter for while kora

Accommodation in hotel / guesthouse and tent during travelling in Tibet

Transport with Land cruiser

Insurance and pension found for Himalayan Leaders staff

Not Include:

Breakfast, lunch and dinner

Personal expenses

Tips for staff

Insurance in case of emergency

other then which is not mention above

Extra transport and porters in case of emergency or any accident

Mt Kailash /Lhasa x 19 days



Day 01: Drive to Kathmandu-Zhangmu (153 km / 07 hrs, 3800m) o/n in guesthouse

Drive from Kathmandu to Kodari (Nepal-Tibet border) where we meet the Tibetan guide with transport. Drive further 8 km uphill to Zhangmu (2220m) where we will have to complete the Chinese immigration and custom formalities. Drive further to Nyalam for overnight stay

Day 02: Rest at Nyalam for acclimatization. Nyalam is a small Tibetan town. It is the county seat of Nyalam County in Xigaze Prefecture (part of the historical Tsang Province of the old Tibet a town of stone buildings and tin roofs.

Day 03: Drive to Saga (232km,4600,7hrs) o/n in camp

in route stops for a while to see the breathtaking views Of Mountain range then drive further to Saga via Paiku-Tso.

Day 04: Drive to Paryang (252km,4700m,8hrs) o/n in camp

visit Dzongba, stop for lunch and continue drive to Paryang

Day 05: Drive to Manosarovr Lake or Chiue Gompa,7hrs) o/n in camp

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Drive towards Mayum-La (5010m) and continue the drive to Chiu Gompa, on the west bank of Lake Mansarovar where you can have a shower at the hot spring. Lake Manasarovar lies at 4,556 m (14947.5 ft) above mean sea level, making it the highest fresh-water lake in the world. It is relatively round in shape with a circumference of 88 kilometres (55 mi). Its depth is 90 m (300 ft) and its surface area is 320 square kilometres (120 sq mi). The lake freezes in winter and melts only in the spring. Like Mount Kailash, Lake Manasa Sarovar is a place of pilgrimage, attracting religious people from India, Nepal, Tibet and the neighboring countries. Bathing in the Manasa Sarovar and drinking its water is believed to cleanse all sins.

Day 06: Drive to Darchen (4700m). Here circuit around Mount Kailash typically begins and ends in Darchen, where foreigners must register and pay an admission fee to the Kailash area, o/n in guesthouse/camp

Day 07: Rest at Darchen for acclimatization, o/n in camp or guesthouse

Day 08: Trek to Dera puk(14kms, 7/8hrs, 4800m) o/n in camp

Drive to trek-starting point then start the trek around Mt. Kailash (6656 m). It is said that one trip around the sacred mountain will wipe away all the sins (bad karma) of one's current lifetime. The rugged path around Mount Kailash is 32 miles (52 km) long, following a blue mountain stream much of the way.

Day 09: Trek to Zhutul Puk (24km, 4680m, 9 hrs) o/n in camp

Trek over the Dolma-La (5600m) then descends for a while and continue to Zhutul Puk. The walk which is a steep climb to Dolma La Pass is 6 km. Dolma La is thehighest point at 5550 meters (18.600 ft) we touch during our entire journey. It is most difficult phase of the parikrama.

Day 10: Finish the trek and drive to Hora. Camp on the bank of Lake Mansarovar

Day 11: Drive to Parayang via Mayum-La, o/n in camp

Day 12: Drive back to Saga via Dzongba o/n in camp

DAY 13: Drive to LHATSEo /n in a hotel .

DAY 14:Drive to Xigatse (3900m,240km,7hrs) o/n in a hotel

Scenic drive through the highest point, Gyatchu La pass (5,220m) en route to Lhasa via Latse and Shakya Monastery .

DAY 15: Drive to GYANTSE (3,950M), 90KM, APPROX 2 HRS DRIVE.

Morning sightseeing to the Panchen Lama's Tashilumpu Monastery. Drive through the Tibet's biggest Agricultural field to Gyantse and visit to the Kumbum Stupa & Palkor Monastery .

DAY 16: Drive to LHASA (3650M):261 KM. o/n in a hotel

Full day picturesque drive along the turquoise lake Yamadrok, crossing over Kampala Pass (4794M) and the Brahma Putra river (Yarlung Tsangpo)

DAY 17 – 18: Sightseeing around in Lhasa

Two full days sightseeing tour to Lhasa including JOKHANG TEMPLE, BARKHOR BAZAAR, POTATLA PALACE, and DEPRUNG AND SERA MONASTERIES.

DAY 19: LHASA – KATHMANDU: Fly back to Lhasa – Ktm. Early morning drive to Gongaar airport for departure flight to Kathamdu

Price

USD 2175 per person based on 02 pax

included

All permits and entrance fees in Tibet

Tibet Visa

English speaking Tibetan guide

one porter for while kora

Accommodation in hotel / guesthouse and tent during travelling in Tibet

Transport with Land cruiser

Insurance and pension found for Himalayan Leaders staff

Flight ticket from Lhasa to Kathmandu

Not Include:

Breakfast, lunch and dinner

Personal expenses

Tips for staff

Insurance in case of emergency

other then which is not mention above

Extra transport and porters in case of emergency or any accident

Эту штуку получаем в китайском консульстве в любой стране мира, где таковые есть

Тибет не самостоятельное государство. Нет тибетской визы, есть разрешение на посещение автономного района Тибет. Да, оно групповое. Его оформлением и займется лицензированный гид, который не на босса будет работать, а непосредственно на заказчиков тура.


А я через Катманду не предлагал добираться.

Из Дели в Непалганж по земле и перелет только до Симикота.

Разрешение - само собой. Но речь идет о том, что для того чтобы въехать в Тибет из Непала тебе будет нужна Китайская групповая виза. В России и Украине такую не выдают.


Вот и получается, что Катманду тебе не миновать.

Andy A

))) Мне-то точно не миновать. Работа такая.

Так называемую "коллективную визу" не ставят в паспорт. Бумага эта отдельная. Посему от остальных участников перспективного похода портебуются только паспортные данные и посещать Катманду не обязательно.

Очень сомневаюсь в истинности утверждения. Ты так делал когда нибудь? Читал, что бумагу выдают только по предъявлении оригинальных паспортов всех участников.